How Proper Breathing Can FULLY Transform Your Health with Karese Laguerre

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So we know that when you are going without sleep for

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elongated periods of time, your brain

does not get to do its own proper detox.

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Our brain only does its cleansing routine

at night during sleep, and when it doesn't

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get to do that it can't function the same.

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Kacee: Welcome to the show.

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Today we are joined by Karis Lag,

a registered dental hygienist

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and myofunctional therapist.

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Karis is the founder of Myo Spot where

she helps clients overcome issues

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like sleep apnea, TMJ disorders and

anxiety through myofunctional therapy.

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She's also the author of Accomplished

How to Sleep Better, eliminate

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Burnout and Execute Goals.

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In this episode we'll explore

how breathing and oral posture

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can help impact overall health.

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We will also explore how small changes

in breathing and oral posture can

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lead to significant improvements

in health and overall wellbeing.

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So if you're struggling with sleep,

struggling with focus, or just

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looking to enhance your overall

health, this conversation is for you.

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Enjoy

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Carice.

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Welcome.

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I'm so excited to have you here.

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Thank you so much for joining the show.

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karese laguerre: Thank you for having me.

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I'm excited.

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Kacee: I wanna start off first before

going into your background, because

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I know a lot of your journey is in,

myofunctional therapy, but can you

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tell us for the people who may not be

familiar with that term, what that is?

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karese laguerre: So bio functional

therapy is kind of like having a personal

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trainer of sorts, but only for the muscles

below the eyes and above the shoulders.

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So in this wonderful area that no one

ever thinks about working out, there's

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over a hundred different muscles and.

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I really help to strengthen

and coordinate them.

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That way we can get proper function

because a lot of important material

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is in this area, , specifically how we

breathe and how we eat, how we speak,

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how we, you know, do a lot of fun

tasks that keep us going day to day.

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Kacee: And I know that your

journey into Marrow Functional

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Therapy was a personal one,

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karese laguerre: Yeah.

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Kacee: a little bit about

how you first discovered this

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world and what got you into it?

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karese laguerre: So it was my children.

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I'm a mom of four and as a mother

of four I, I believe that most other

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parents, and I never like to speak for

everybody, but I think this is pretty

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much across the board, uh, most.

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Parents, when somebody

asks you, how's everything?

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We give the highlight reel, like we're

always talking about all the good stuff.

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This one's got a dance recital.

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That one just won a soccer tournament.

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Like we got all the good stuff ready to

go, but there's a lot of things that like

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we don't talk about under the surface and.

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My original licensure is as a registered

dental hygienist and I was working for a

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pediatric dentist, and , I told her about

some of the stuff that was going on kind

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of underneath the surface, like the things

I would never talk to anybody else about.

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So out of my four kids, I

have one boy, he's the oldest.

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He's been disappointed every time

I've gotten pregnant since, but

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he, uh, had a lot of issues with

like emotional and like just.

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Being able to regulate his behavior.

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So a lot of sensory issues.

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And so he was very, very difficult.

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I remember the teachers from kindergarten

telling me that he had a hard time

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focusing and staying on task, and

I was like, oh, but he's five.

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And then we played that

game well, but he's six.

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Oh, but he's seven.

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Like, what?

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7-year-old wants to

pay attention in class.

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We played that game for a bit too long.

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, And around the age of, . Eight or nine

where it was looking like he probably

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wasn't gonna make it through fifth grade.

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It was, okay, we gotta actually

do something about this.

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And we took him to a pediatric

neurologist and boom, diagnosed A DHD.

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We will come back to his

story in just a little bit.

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My daughters, my oldest daughter,

had every sleep issue under the sun.

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You name it, she experienced it.

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So whether it was night terrors,

sleepwalking, tossing and turning, like

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falling outta the bed, middle of the

night, blood curdling, scream from those

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night terrors, the snoring, the grinding.

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She bed wet too every single

night for his 10 years.

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It didn't matter what we did, if it

was like, okay, no liquids, like four

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hours before bed, or like, you have

to go to the bathroom before bed or

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we'll make you go twice before bed.

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Bedwetting was guaranteed every

single night for 10 years straight,

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and my youngest two daughters had

a lot of upper respiratory issues,

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so I don't know if anybody else can

relate, but I had those two kids

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that were constant nose congested,

ear infection, throat infection.

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It felt like every time I could probably

predict it, like we're going to the

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doctor and it's either , an ear infection,

or their throat is infected like.

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One of the two.

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'cause that's what it always was.

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So we were on this constant cycle

of antibiotics with those two.

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And it was in talking to that

pediatric dentist that I learned that

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all of that, though, it sounds very,

very different and these children

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are very biologically similar.

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It's all connected, and it was all

connected to how they were utilizing

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these muscles in my wonderful area of

expertise and how they were breathing

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and that all of that really, really

affected the emotional, the regulatory

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control issues My son had, the sleep

issues, my daughter had the respiratory

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and infection issues that my young, uh.

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Young, young two had, and it was just

absolutely mind blowing, game changing.

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So I always talk about

my son for this part.

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So let's go back to him for just

a second, if we go back to his

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story, we spent a year and a half

after he was diagnosed with A DHD.

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And I'm telling you, we waited to

see the best pediatric neurologist.

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At that time we were living

in New Jersey and she spent.

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Maybe no more than 15 minutes

with us, asked us some questions

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off a little questionnaire.

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Boom.

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That was his diagnosis.

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A year and a half, we went through

three different types of medication.

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Every six months we saw her and it was

like we get a new script because none

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of it's working, and that's really

all you can do with a DHD, right?

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His.

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Just medication.

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But I had discovered and had that

conversation with the pediatric dentist

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as we were coming up to our next visit.

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And so I started to tell the pediatric

neurologist when we went back, I

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think I wanna go a different route.

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I don't want a fourth medication.

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I wanna go a different route.

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I wanna look into his sleep and I

think I'm gonna have him sleep tested.

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And immediately she stopped me.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Didn't let me finish my thought,

my sentence, anything said.

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You never told me he

had issues with sleep.

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And I said, well, you

know, you never asked.

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So there's that part, but I never told

her there were issues with his sleep.

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I also didn't know there

were issues with her sleep.

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'cause I.

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I was never asked these questions,

and so she began to tell me what I had

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already known from the pediatric dentist.

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This pediatric neurologist is now

beginning to tell me that there's a

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70% overlap between the symptoms in

children who have sleep deprivation,

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so they're not getting good enough

quality of sleep or long enough duration

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of sleep, or they have some sort of

disorder that is disrupting their sleep.

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70%.

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Overlap in the symptoms that present for

that and the symptoms that present for

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ADHD So there was a very real possibility

the entire time we've been medicating

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him that there was something else.

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That there was something else and

we never once talked about it.

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And that.

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It set me off.

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It set me off as a parent, you know,

because A DHD is just one of those things.

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There's no blood work you can take for it.

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There is no MRI or CAT scan that

you're gonna, oh, there it is.

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There's that A DHD gene.

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It's all symptom-based.

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And so not having that differential

diagnosis made a big, big difference.

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And once I started doing the

work with him, I dove into

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myofunctional therapy very selfishly.

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To help address my own children.

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But once I started to see the changes

and I really saw them, and I like to

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say I met them for the first time on the

other side of all of this stuff, where

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they could really flourish, uninhibited

by all of these things that were really.

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I don't know.

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I wanna say like preventing them

from being their full selves.

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So not to say that maybe they

weren't their full selves, but

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there was so much more under there.

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Kacee: Mm-hmm.

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karese laguerre: And so once I saw

that, I was like, everybody needs this.

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Everybody needs this.

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So many more parents we're,

none of us are talking about it.

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We're all keeping it kind of surface

level when somebody says, how are you?

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So

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Kacee: Yeah.

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Because it's, it's almost like

missing one question just kinda

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leads you down in a whole different

avenue that you never would've known.

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And most parents don't know that.

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So if a doctor's

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karese laguerre: Yes.

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Kacee: Asking or inquiring, then it's

like, how do you know what, what to bring

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up or what would affect a diagnosis or

not, or create something else like, so

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that is so fascinating and it's always

interesting to me too, how, um, a personal

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struggle or personal experience can

often be the driver for the, our purpose,

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And just kind of that push down.

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whether you do a deep dive or whether you

are looking into something and whether you

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make it your career, I always find that

that's very interesting how that happens.

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How did this realization happen, like

in terms of affecting your mindset

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shift of how you approach health

both personally and professionally?

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I.

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karese laguerre: Oh, I love that.

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Um.

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How did it shift how I approach health?

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I really changed 150%.

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I felt like as soon as I discovered

there was something wrong with the

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breathing, I knew that there had

to be other things that were wrong,

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and so I wanted to get to the root.

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Of everything.

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And so we started seeking

things out of the diet.

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We started changing over

a lot of things that way.

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We were more on a natural trajectory

of health as opposed to what we were

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doing, which was all traditional

medicine, which to that point,

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I felt had not worked for me.

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At that point.

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They had kind of left me.

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Without many answers

or without any resolve.

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The children just kind of carried on

in the same pattern for a while, so.

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It just shifted the way that

I thought I wanted to go.

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A bit more natural, holistic.

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Let's look at all the alternatives.

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If nobody's talking to me about

sleep, there are other things

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they're not talking to me about too.

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So let's start taking things out.

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Let's remove the dairy.

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Uh, let's remove the gluten.

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And then we started removing a lot

of other things from the diet too.

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Taking down some of the processed

things, reducing the sugar, like

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we just changed over lifestyle.

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Let's start moving more as a family.

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It was a big shift.

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Kacee: Yeah.

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you mentioned in your work , that

poor oral posture can impact

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essentially your whole body.

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karese laguerre: Yeah.

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Kacee: Can you walk us through just like

some symptoms that you found surprising

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that people might not realize that are

connected to the way that they breathe

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or the way that they hold their mouth?

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karese laguerre: Yeah.

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So let's just start off with what is.

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Proper oral posture because

a lot of people are just

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unaware as to what that is.

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And so I have a one minute breath

test that we can kind of do

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together, and I'll talk about what

proper posture is once everybody

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kind of determines what theirs is.

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So if you're sitting and

you're able to, and you're not

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listening to this while driving.

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If you're driving, pay

attention to the road.

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But think about this later on, if

you're sitting and you're able to.

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Plant both feet on the ground.

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I want you to sit up as nice and tall

as you can be mindful of your posture,

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and I want you to, with closed lips,

take a deep inhale through your nose.

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And then you're gonna exhale through

the nose, and I want you to repeat that.

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And you're gonna do that

about three or four times.

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Now as you're doing that,

I'm gonna keep talking.

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Just keep breathing.

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Inhale.

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Exhale through the nose.

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I want you to just be really

internally reflective.

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I want you to think about where

your tongue is, in your mouth,

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how your teeth are resting.

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Are your teeth together?

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Is your tongue high?

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Is it in the middle of your mouth?

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Is it down low?

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Is it half up?

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Half down?

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Just process it.

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And think about it, and as you're coming

out of what's possibly that fourth

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inhale and exhale from the nose, and

you're more aware of where things are,

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let me tell you that proper rest posture

involves yes, predominant nasal breathing.

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So if you were very uncomfortable or

unable to do that because three or

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four breaths through your nose was

challenging or difficult, you're already

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in an improper posture, but predominant

nasal breathing with lips, closed teeth.

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Slightly apart.

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You don't want your teeth together.

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Your teeth are gonna be bracing,

and that's most likely a lot of jaw

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problems that you might have, but teeth

slightly apart and tongue suctioned

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lightly against the whole palette.

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So from the front, just behind the teeth.

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From the front all the way to the

back, like where your uvula is, and

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for those who are unfamiliar with

that term, your uvula is that dangly

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ball in the middle of your throat.

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When you open your

mouth, you should see it.

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If you don't see it, that's another red

flag we'll talk about later, I'm sure.

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But your tongue should be taking up all

of the space in the roof of your mouth.

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That's proper rest posture.

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A lot of great things happen when

you're in proper rest posture.

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When you are in proper rest

posture, you're able to adequately

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stimulate the nasal floor.

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We need our nose for breathing.

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Our bodies were designed for that.

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The nose is going to naturally

warm and humidify the air

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that is entering the body.

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We're gonna produce nitric oxide,

which is gonna help that oxygen

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bond to the red blood cells for our

hemoglobin so that things can kind of.

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Go through the body and we can

breathe adequately and get all

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that oxygen where it needs to be.

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We're gonna be able to get our lower

third of our lungs filled so we'll

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be able to get more oxygen and really

adequately oxygenate the back of the

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tongue being connected to the soft palate

and like the back portion, if everybody's

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unfamiliar with their soft palates, the

back portion of the roof of your mouth.

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That connection is incredibly

important for our vagus nerve.

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Our vagus nerve is one of the

biggest nerves of our cranial

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nerves, and it powers everything.

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It is like the battery, I

should say, of your body.

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That is where all your organs

get their ability to function.

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That is.

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How we regulate our

autonomic nervous system.

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Everything gets thrown off

if our vagus nerve is off.

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If you don't have good , vagal

tone, that is going to impact

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how you're able to cognitively

function and go about your day.

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Big connections with anxiety and

depression with the vagus nerve and

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poor vagal tone, but that tongue being

able to sit against that back half of

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the roof of the mouth, the palette.

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It is going to stimulate that vagus nerve.

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It's going to help you be more able

to self-regulate that autonomic

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nervous system and to keep just

everything else running well because

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it is the powerhouse of the body.

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And so we want to be able to have that

proper breast posture because when we

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don't, you don't breathe as efficiently

and you don't function as efficiently.

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Kacee: Does this have a, this,

first of all, that explanation is

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phenomenal that just even from.

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Me connected so many pieces and I've

been, as I mentioned before to you,

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I've been talking about breath work

on this podcast for a long time.

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We talk about the vagus nerve,

but that puts so many different

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pieces together for me.

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And I'm wondering if this, this is

kind of a two part question, but

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wondering how this differs if it

does, from mewing, and then I'm also

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wondering if that is why mouth taping,

, sleep has become popular in recent.

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Years, I guess.

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So I'm kind of wondering if, if

those two things are related into

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the work that you're talking about.

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karese laguerre: Yes, to a degree.

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So I would say they're pieces of

the puzzle where Kneeing is like.

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Um, it's kind of like one dimensional

myofunctional therapy, so where it's a

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heavy, heavy focus on just the tongue,

whereas I deal with, like I said, like a

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hundred muscles that surround everything.

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So if there's other dysfunctions viewing

doesn't really address those at all.

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And so you might have other compensations

or other things that are in disharmony

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when you're not addressing them.

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Kacee: Okay.

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karese laguerre: are.

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Uh, mouth taping.

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Mouth taping is also like

a piece of the puzzle.

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Like I said, you wanna be predominantly

nasal breathing, and so if you're taping

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your mouth, you're forcing nasal breathing

and therefore you're going to be receiving

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all of those benefits of nasal breathing.

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Nobody thinks of sleep as being.

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So connected to breath, but it,

it's incredibly, it's all regulated.

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How you go through your sleep

cycles is entirely determined by

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the quality of your breathing.

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Once you get into hypoxia, like you're

not getting adequate oxygen, you'd no

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longer get those restorative functions.

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So why you're feeling like you're

getting more restorative sleep is

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because you're now oxygenating better.

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That's where your mouth

taping is coming in.

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And so yes, those are all like pieces

of the puzzle, but what I do really

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addresses like a greater area of

dysfunction than just what's going

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on with your lips or your tongue.

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Kacee: Okay.

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And then, so for listeners who were

with this, and we went through that

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experiment together with the nasal

breathing, and for those who, let's

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say, had their teeth together, or

they realized that their tongue was

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resting at the bottom of their mouth.

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are some first initial steps that one

would take just to correct basic posture?

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karese laguerre: Becoming more aware.

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Of that over a longer period of time.

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So incorporating conscious breathing, and

I think a lot of people, when they think

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of conscious breathing, they think of it

as something like, oh, I have to sit down.

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I have to meditate.

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I have to like turn my mind off.

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I can't do that, or I don't, I

don't have time for it, or whatever.

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It could be as simple as like this

little task that I like to do.

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I call it rhythmic breathing.

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You might have another name for it

because people in breath work always

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do, but I call it rhythmic breathing.

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You're going to turn on a song that's

somewhere between 60 to 85 beats.

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Per minute.

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A lot of Bruno Mars in that

area, he's just a popular artist.

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Uh, some Elvis in that area, you know,

some Michael Jackson in that area,

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just to name some popular artists.

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So it's not like you have

to listen to boring music.

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You can listen to really exciting,

fun music, but 60 to 85 beats

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per minute, no higher, no lower

because you wanna keep yourself.

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Relatively regulated.

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What you're gonna do is you're

just gonna listen to the song,

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listen to the music, and I want

your breath to dance along to it.

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So feel free to pause breathing, to

elongate your breath, to take deeper

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inhales, to take shorter breath,

like manipulate your breathing.

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You'll be consciously.

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Breathing for that three to

four minutes that the song

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might be on during that time.

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Be very, very aware what's going on.

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So this could be done in the car

while you're on your way to work.

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Uh, if you're on a jog and you're, you're

running, you can do this at any time.

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And really just be aware of what

the posture is most commonly.

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Some people might find that when they're

stressed, that's when they're checking.

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And everything might be like your jaw's

fairly tight or your posture's low.

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Things change that's functional breathing.

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It changes so that our body can adapt.

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But what is it most commonly?

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And then once you know what it is most

commonly and not just what it is on like

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a one-off type of basis, I want you to

take some of that rhythmic breathing

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time and try to see if you can relax

your jaw so that it's not together

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for the three minutes of the song.

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If you can keep your tongue up

for the three minutes of the song.

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If you find that you've spent a week

or two or four and it's a struggle for

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you, you might need additional help.

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And at that point then I would say

you want to call in, some sort of

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specialist, whether it's a myofunctional

therapist and or anybody else.

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Else.

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Kacee: That is so helpful.

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And then for parents, like I

know you mentioned, This all kind

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of started with your children.

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So for a parent who is trying to support

their child or even trying to figure

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out, if there are issues with oral

posture or breathing, or they're trying

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to evaluate oral habits or sleep or

anything along that line, what would

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you say a parent who's trying to begin

this journey or just support their

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child naturally and not with medication?

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I.

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karese laguerre: Yeah.

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What you wanna do is you wanna make sure

that one bedtime is as consistent as

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possible, create routines around bedtime,

and you wanna start getting into a

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little bit of nasal hygiene if you can.

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I know that that becomes very challenging.

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Not a lot of kids like these saline

sprays or anything sprayed up their

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nose, but you gotta keep it clean.

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And we're cleaning every other

part of our child except the one

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that's like the most important.

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We could go for, you know, days

without water, weeks without

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food, but nobody can go.

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But for a few minutes without

air, we need to breathe.

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So clean out your children's nose , make

that a part of your bedtime routine and

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make bedtime as consistent as possible.

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I know it's hard.

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I have four kids, you know, people have

sports and afterschool activities and

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extracurriculars and all sorts of things,

but you gotta get into some sort of set

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rhythm because our circadian rhythm, I.

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It is just that it goes off of

these routines that we create

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when we're early on in parenting.

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Everybody's telling you, oh, you

gotta get the baby on a schedule.

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Keep the baby on a schedule.

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Babies love schedule.

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Guess who else loves schedules?

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Well, one adults like,

hello, we need it two.

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But children, children thrive

off these schedules too.

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And so set a really good routine and

start monitoring your child's sleep.

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I know you know for me, once you get them.

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Either out of your bed if you

were co-sleeping or you get them

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just sleeping through the night.

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You just wanna go to your bed

or like do your own thing.

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Or it's mommy time now.

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Right.

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And you're not thinking about them.

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But really, I wish I was more

aware very early on of how

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they were sleeping and the.

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Signs that were all there,

that there was dysfunctional

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patterns through their sleep.

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Nothing scares you more

than witnessing an apnea.

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So we talk about obstructive

sleep apnea for adults a lot.

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You'll hear it when you're

talking about older men.

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You might, your, your dad

snored, your grandfather snored,

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your husband might snore.

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Like we talk about men a lot, but there

are children who snore and it's not cute.

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It's not.

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Starring is the sound of air, meaning

resistance, trying to get into

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your lungs, so we don't want that.

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But also, apnea are only officially

diagnosed as an apnea, like on

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a sleep study when it's stopping

of breath for 10 seconds or more.

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When you start to witness things like

that happening in your children's sleep.

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So you don't have to stand over them

and like creepily, watch them sleep.

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But if you put a phone there, um, if

you put a, an Apple watch or one of the

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Android watches, you put that on your

children because they can monitor sleep.

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And many of those devices have been

FDA approved to do home sleep testing.

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You put that on there and if you

notice how many times they stop

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breathing, sometimes I think that

will ring enough bells because.

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If we stood here and we just counted out

10 seconds, and you just imagine your

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child's not breathing for that entire

time, it is a long period of time.

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So I think it's really important

that as parents create a routine.

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Around sleep.

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Make sure you're doing nasal hygiene.

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Get them optimally engaged for sleep.

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I know a lot of people don't like to

mouth tape, um, children to go to sleep.

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You want them to be able to open

their mouth if they need to,

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whatever, so prime their nose.

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Make sure their nose

is ready for breathing.

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Then make sure that you're monitoring

it and that you're seeing the

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quality of their sleep and any red

flags alert, a medical professional.

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Right away.

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Don't ignore any of the signs.

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So the symptoms, it doesn't

get better on its own.

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It doesn't resolve on its own.

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You do have to actively

put in some type of work.

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Kacee: And I'm wondering too, for

the, like a parent listening or even

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somebody going to this themselves, like

the connection between dysfunction and

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focal challenges, being able to focus,

or maybe if they were diagnosed with

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a DD or a DHD, uh, like your son, like

what is something that they should know

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about that connection or be aware of

about the connection between breathing,

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dysfunction and focal challenges?

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karese laguerre: I think what some parents

don't understand, , especially with A

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DHD, so it happens with a DD two, but

with a DHD that age for the hyperactivity,

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you think, oh, my kid's not sleepy.

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They're bouncing off the walls.

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Hyperactivity happens a lot

very frequently in children

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that are sleep deprived.

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Whereas sleepy adults

will be more fatigued.

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You're anticipating your

child would be fatigued.

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They are hyperactive because

just physiologically, the

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body is just really wound up.

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It really wants to go to sleep.

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So it's kind of exciting itself to

hopefully induce some sleep earlier.

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And then you see them, they knock

out, they go to sleep right away.

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Going to sleep too fast

is always a red flag.

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Uh, they shouldn't be.

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So tired that they fall asleep so fast,

but that hyperactivity, real red flag.

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That's why they can't focus.

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: 00:26:13

That's why they have that inability

to really stay on one task.

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Their body is really just trying

to get to the next thing so

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that we can go to sleep faster.

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Uh, so that's gonna be a.

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Really difficult focal challenge.

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If you're finding that your child

is not getting adequate sleep at

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night, that's a hundred percent

impacting their cognitive abilities.

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So we know that when you are

going without sleep for elongated

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periods of time, your brain does

not get to do its own proper detox.

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Your brain has its own things that it

has to, you know, we have our endocrine

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system, we have our lymph nodes and

those are going to help remove things

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that we don't want from the body.

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: 00:26:51

We flush things out through

our kidneys and clean.

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We have our liver that

helps to detox things too.

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Our brain only does its cleansing

routine at night during sleep, and

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when it doesn't get to do that during

day, it can't function the same.

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So if your child is unable to

focus or really pay attention.

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Yeah, there's a lot that hasn't

happened at night that the brain

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needs to have happen so that it can

work in the same way in the morning.

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And so sleep is incredibly important.

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Make sure that, you know, you ask

your child important questions too.

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I think I should have brought this

up earlier, like, are they dreaming?

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Ask them if they remember ever dreaming,

uh, even if it's a nightmare, if they

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say, oh, I only remember nightmares.

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: 00:27:34

Okay, well, at least Dave is.

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Entered some stage of REM

because that's really important.

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That's when all of the important

restorative tasks happen at

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night, like the brain detoxing and

memories imparting and so forth.

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Kacee: I like that you mentioned that

because I think that's an important part.

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I mean, all of it is important,

but that's very important because

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I think so many of us, just as

adults, get tired and we think.

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it's normal that I feel tired.

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Um, but are those some signs

that we should look out for?

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That could be sleep issues or even

breathing issues as if, are we dreaming?

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Are we remembering our dreams?

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: 00:28:12

Like are those things that we

should be monitoring for ourselves?

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karese laguerre: Yeah, you

should note that you're dreaming.

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So it's really difficult.

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A lot of times you're gonna forget

your dreams, so you won't remember

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it 10 minutes after you've woken up.

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But you would remember, oh

yeah, I did dream last night.

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I can't remember what about,

but I did dream last night.

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So that's a big red flag.

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If you're not dreaming.

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All the tossing and turning, that's a big

sign of non-restorative sleep at the two.

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: 00:28:39

So if you go to bed and you know,

sheets are one way and you're wrapped

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one way and then you wake up and

everything's all over the place.

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Like red flag, you did not

get enough sleep at all.

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And so make sure that you are

looking out for those types of signs.

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Adults are gonna be, yes, very fatigued.

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Uh, teenagers will even be fatigued,

but children, when they're tired

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sometimes do not present as fatigued.

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: 00:29:03

They can,

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Kacee: Mm-hmm.

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karese laguerre: they don't always,

more often than not, they may

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present with more hyperactivity.

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Kacee: Yeah.

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And your book accomplished, um,

talks about sleep and burnout,

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and I love how you weave breathing

into that conversation, but can

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you explain how, , mouth breathing

or the sleep disorders that we're

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talking about can sneak up on us?

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karese laguerre: Oh my gosh.

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Everything stinks up on us.

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'cause I don't think we're ever

looking for all of the signs.

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: 00:29:35

I really don't think we're

ever looking for the signs.

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: 00:29:37

It's very hard to know.

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You think of sleep apnea, I think

people immediately think of like

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: 00:29:42

very loud, obnoxious, snoring.

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: 00:29:46

Like you think of your dads, your

grandpas, your your people who you've

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: 00:29:50

heard having this terrible sleep, but.

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: 00:29:55

It creeps up on you in that,

and it compounds as you age.

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So what might start as like maybe

some little cute snoring, or it

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: 00:30:02

might start out as like, okay,

they've got their mouth open at

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: 00:30:05

night and you don't really hear it.

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: 00:30:07

It might be like.

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: 00:30:08

A little audible breathing.

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: 00:30:10

There's a lot of parents

that describe that to me.

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It's not a snore, it's audible breathing.

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: 00:30:15

Okay.

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: 00:30:15

Well, breathing is supposed

to be inherently quiet.

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: 00:30:18

You shouldn't hear breath happen

at all if you're hearing breathing.

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: 00:30:22

That's the sound of the air

trying to make its way through.

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: 00:30:24

And we don't want that.

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: 00:30:26

No obstruction to the air, getting

to where it needs to be in our body.

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: 00:30:30

And so it's gonna sneak up on you

because as it's compounding over time.

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: 00:30:35

You're not really catching the symptoms

or the signs and that will add up.

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: 00:30:40

So I like to compare it to

kind of like a, and I do this

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: 00:30:43

in the book accomplished too.

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: 00:30:44

I compare it to like a washing machine.

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: 00:30:46

Everybody who has a washing machine,

whether it's front loading, you know,

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: 00:30:50

top loading or whatever, you put clothes

in your washing machine, you let it

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: 00:30:53

wash, everything's wet, and it kind of.

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: 00:30:57

It looks like a smaller volume

of things, so if you have a top

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load, it might be more off to the

side around the edges of the bin.

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: 00:31:06

If it's a front load, everything looks

kind of smashed down and it looks like you

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: 00:31:10

could just add some more clothes and just

kind of start that whole thing up again.

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: 00:31:14

Let's just wash some

more clothes with this.

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: 00:31:16

Sure, go ahead.

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: 00:31:18

You could put more in, and I'm sure that

that will kind of smash down and you might

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: 00:31:21

be able to get in a third load, but the

quality of these washes, the quality of

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: 00:31:26

the clothes, it's not getting any better.

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: 00:31:29

You're just, IM pounding, imparting

more and more and more, and

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that's what happens with sleep.

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When you're not catching the signs early

on, you're just adding more and more and

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: 00:31:39

more problems and it just really compounds

until one day you realize, oh, I can't put

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: 00:31:43

anything else into this washing machine.

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: 00:31:45

It, it's full.

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: 00:31:46

It.

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: 00:31:47

It's done.

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: 00:31:48

And that's where you start

to see signs and symptoms.

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: 00:31:50

You, you're hearing the kids grinding

very hard and you're wondering why

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: 00:31:54

their teeth are wearing down, or

they might be complaining of jaw

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: 00:31:58

pain, or they might be complaining of

neck or upper back pain or tension,

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: 00:32:02

or you take them to a chiropractor.

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: 00:32:04

There's a lot of, very forward thinking.

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: 00:32:07

Parents who are taking their children

very early on to chiropractors and

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: 00:32:10

they're getting pediatric adjustments and

they say, oh, well there's some tension

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: 00:32:14

along one side of the neck or so forth.

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: 00:32:17

Like a lot of this is really tied

into how they're sleeping, how they

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: 00:32:21

might be manipulating themselves

in order to get adequate breathing.

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: 00:32:25

How they have to, you know, move

or manipulate themself in sleep.

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: 00:32:29

Whether they're crunched up or

they're expanding their body

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: 00:32:32

or tilting more to one side.

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: 00:32:33

That way they can open up their airway.

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: 00:32:35

So.

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: 00:32:36

It compounds because you really don't

notice the very, very subtle first signs.

621

: 00:32:41

It's only when it becomes really loud

and glaringly obvious that we start

622

: 00:32:47

to say, oh, there's a problem here.

623

: 00:32:49

Kacee: Yeah.

624

: 00:32:51

I know we've been talking a lot

about, sleep, but in just hearing

625

: 00:32:55

what you said now in terms of some

of these things can seem subtle, and

626

: 00:32:59

so I wanna go back to what you said

earlier about your daughter with the,

627

: 00:33:03

allergies and like the congestion

and like kind of the nasal things.

628

: 00:33:08

Like I don't know if it's.

629

: 00:33:09

Just the oral posture or, but how was

affected in terms of what you found out

630

: 00:33:14

with your daughter and her allergies,

or what you thought with allergies?

631

: 00:33:19

karese laguerre: So when you are not

breathing adequately, like if you're mouth

632

: 00:33:22

breathing particularly, you're not getting

the filtration, the air is not being.

633

: 00:33:27

Humidified or warmed, and it's

not really prepped for the body.

634

: 00:33:31

So when you're not getting that

filtration or the warmth, you're

635

: 00:33:34

exposing your body to more of the

things that will cause inflammation.

636

: 00:33:38

Our tonsils wind up being like

a first line responder 'cause

637

: 00:33:42

that's part of the lymph.

638

: 00:33:43

System, and so those tonsils will start

to become inflamed and catching things

639

: 00:33:49

and trying to be some form of a barrier.

640

: 00:33:51

It's not the same as when you respirate

through your nose, you're supposed

641

: 00:33:55

to take in that air through your nose

that's going to filter and so forth.

642

: 00:33:59

Once you have that inflammation, your

body is now going to be more reactive.

643

: 00:34:04

So what may start out as

pollen and you might not be as

644

: 00:34:10

affected, may suddenly hit you.

645

: 00:34:12

Really, really hard and have

what a lot of people like to

646

: 00:34:15

call like year round allergies.

647

: 00:34:17

'cause you're more sensitive to

the histamines, you're inflamed.

648

: 00:34:22

Your body is unable to really

process everything because it's

649

: 00:34:26

just catching things all the time.

650

: 00:34:27

You're breathing and all the air

you're taking in through your mouth is

651

: 00:34:31

needing to be filtered and processed.

652

: 00:34:33

And now we've got histamines and now

we've got other things coming at us.

653

: 00:34:36

Whatever bacteria and

you know, kids there are.

654

: 00:34:39

Kids are yucky to begin with.

655

: 00:34:42

And so all of that sharing of germs, like

all of that extra that comes with that,

656

: 00:34:47

they have a hard time processing it.

657

: 00:34:48

And so it just, it increases

that inflammatory process.

658

: 00:34:52

It increases the, his histamine response.

659

: 00:34:54

And so the body is more likely to be

reactive when there are allergens nearby.

660

: 00:35:01

So we find that actually a lot of

times that when we, , switch over,

661

: 00:35:05

we get them nasal breathing and

we start including nasal hygiene.

662

: 00:35:08

Really, really important because some

nasal hygiene, particularly those

663

: 00:35:13

salines that have, , xylitol in them,

those sprays are gonna sit there.

664

: 00:35:18

It's gonna have like a

nice antimicrobial factor.

665

: 00:35:20

It's going to help you kind of

fight off that and keep down some

666

: 00:35:24

of that sinus inflammation that

would occur when you know you're

667

: 00:35:27

breathing in a lot of allergens.

668

: 00:35:28

So we're finding that when we

switch over and we establish nasal

669

: 00:35:32

breathing and nasal hygiene, that

what was allergies and was really.

670

: 00:35:37

Ruining your springs, ruining your falls

is actually just improper breathing.

671

: 00:35:43

They were just more prone to it.

672

: 00:35:45

So not to say that it goes away fully,

but you know, you don't have those big

673

: 00:35:50

attacks of allergies as you once had.

674

: 00:35:54

Kacee: Very interesting.

675

: 00:35:55

Okay.

676

: 00:35:56

Yeah, I, I love this too, because.

677

: 00:35:59

I think even as adults, and I know

my father, was like struggling.

678

: 00:36:02

He's like, all of a

sudden I have allergies.

679

: 00:36:05

And he had these year-round allergies

and he didn't have allergies before,

680

: 00:36:09

his sleep had also gotten worse and he

was starting to snore and was like going

681

: 00:36:13

through, like a sleep study to kind of

figure out what was going on with his

682

: 00:36:16

snoring and stuff when he was breathing.

683

: 00:36:17

So that's kind of interesting And then

when you talk about nasal hygiene, I

684

: 00:36:21

know you're, um, you've mentioned the

saline, but would that include like

685

: 00:36:25

neti pot and those types of things?

686

: 00:36:28

Like in terms of, irrigation?

687

: 00:36:31

karese laguerre: Yes, ma'am.

688

: 00:36:32

So when you're irrigating, even with

a Neti pot or any other thing, , you

689

: 00:36:37

would absolutely use saline as you

never use, just like regular tap

690

: 00:36:41

water, it would always be a saline.

691

: 00:36:43

That way you're not introducing, you know,

any, anything detrimental into your body.

692

: 00:36:48

So, yeah, saline and you

would be actually rinsing out.

693

: 00:36:52

Not everybody's.

694

: 00:36:53

You know, a fan of that.

695

: 00:36:54

I think it's a really great way to cleanse

out, but not everybody's a fan of that.

696

: 00:36:59

It goes up one nostril,

it comes out the other.

697

: 00:37:02

It really cleans and flushes

out those nostrils really well.

698

: 00:37:05

But you could also just use

a spray and spray up there as

699

: 00:37:09

well, and then that's gonna help.

700

: 00:37:11

Really important for the sprays

actually, 'cause nobody ever talks

701

: 00:37:14

about this, but you wanna look at

your toes when you spray your nose,

702

: 00:37:17

so you're gonna tilt your chin down.

703

: 00:37:18

That way when you spray,

you get the right angle.

704

: 00:37:21

Otherwise, if you're spraying while

your head is straight, it's going

705

: 00:37:24

somewhere trapped along your nostrils

like it's not going anywhere.

706

: 00:37:28

So you gotta look at your toes

when you're gonna spray your nose.

707

: 00:37:31

Very important.

708

: 00:37:34

Kacee: And I like that it rhymed.

709

: 00:37:34

It's easy to remember.

710

: 00:37:36

karese laguerre: Exactly.

711

: 00:37:37

Kacee: Look at your toes

when you spray your nose.

712

: 00:37:39

Um, that's actually a good note

because I know a lot of people

713

: 00:37:42

when they do it, they tend to like

714

: 00:37:44

karese laguerre: Tilt backwards.

715

: 00:37:45

Yeah.

716

: 00:37:45

Kacee: to

717

: 00:37:46

karese laguerre: It's not

going in the right spot.

718

: 00:37:48

Kacee: and, okay.

719

: 00:37:49

So that's.

720

: 00:37:51

Very, very good to know.

721

: 00:37:53

karese laguerre: Yeah.

722

: 00:37:53

Kacee: to know.

723

: 00:37:54

one of the things that I wanna talk to

you about was sort of the, empowerment.

724

: 00:37:59

And I say that because I think that

you are a great example of a person

725

: 00:38:03

who turns the challenges , that they've

experienced with their personal or with

726

: 00:38:07

your kids into like this global mission.

727

: 00:38:10

And so.

728

: 00:38:11

I'm curious to know for someone who's

listening today who feels like they're

729

: 00:38:15

stuck or they're tired or they're

overwhelmed or maybe they're struggling

730

: 00:38:19

in some way, piece of advice can you

give that would encourage them, or

731

: 00:38:25

something that you would leave them with?

732

: 00:38:27

karese laguerre: Yeah, there's always

somebody willing to listen to you.

733

: 00:38:30

I think that's the biggest thing.

734

: 00:38:31

So always advocate for yourself.

735

: 00:38:34

I wish I had advocated more for

my children because during that

736

: 00:38:40

10 years of my daughter wedding,

the bed every night, you know?

737

: 00:38:44

Of course I talk to the pediatrician

about that every single time,

738

: 00:38:47

and she's like, don't worry.

739

: 00:38:48

She'll outgrow it.

740

: 00:38:49

She'll outgrow it.

741

: 00:38:50

She'll outgrow it, but

like you're missing.

742

: 00:38:53

So many things that during these vital

years where she's growing, we shouldn't be

743

: 00:38:59

ignoring these things and just waiting for

her sleep to magically one day get better.

744

: 00:39:05

So

745

: 00:39:05

Kacee: Hmm.

746

: 00:39:06

karese laguerre: never felt

right with the answers I got.

747

: 00:39:09

I never felt right that

like, why are we on our third

748

: 00:39:12

medication for this a DHD thing?

749

: 00:39:14

And none of them are working.

750

: 00:39:15

Like, it just doesn't feel right.

751

: 00:39:17

And if it doesn't feel right.

752

: 00:39:19

It doesn't mean that you know you're

doing something wrong or that your

753

: 00:39:23

kids are getting terrible treatment.

754

: 00:39:25

It means that you just haven't

found the provider yet that

755

: 00:39:28

is willing to listen to you.

756

: 00:39:29

And there are people, many, many

people who will listen to you.

757

: 00:39:35

So it doesn't have to be, I, I think

I grew up with that mindset that

758

: 00:39:39

like doctor knows best just deffer to

the doctor, but you can collaborate.

759

: 00:39:46

In healthcare, you can

be a part of the team.

760

: 00:39:49

And really, I don't wanna overstate

how you collaborate, but there will be

761

: 00:39:54

people who will listen to you and will

be willing to look down other avenues

762

: 00:39:58

and provide you with alternative ways

that you can reach the same end goal.

763

: 00:40:04

So keep advocating for yourself.

764

: 00:40:06

There's always somebody who

will listen and it's not you.

765

: 00:40:10

You're not the problem.

766

: 00:40:11

Kacee: That is so important.

767

: 00:40:12

And I think especially for women, I

think we have a hard time with going.

768

: 00:40:18

To look after ourselves, number

one, and then going to the doctors

769

: 00:40:21

and then whatever we usually hear

back, we just take at face value.

770

: 00:40:24

But I think it is important

to advocate, for yourself.

771

: 00:40:27

So I love that.

772

: 00:40:29

And then I just also wanna bring it in

circle because I know we talked about

773

: 00:40:33

myofunctional therapy and like you said,

it encompasses so many different things.

774

: 00:40:38

But can you explain how it

also compliments other holistic

775

: 00:40:41

therapies, like you mentioned,

chiropractic care , nutrition

776

: 00:40:45

, psychotherapy, like

how does it compliment?

777

: 00:40:48

karese laguerre: Yeah, so breathing

is very well attached to a lot of

778

: 00:40:52

our ability to regulate our autonomic

nervous system, as I've kind of

779

: 00:40:56

stated a little bit, and that's.

780

: 00:40:58

Really how it goes hand in

hand with mental health.

781

: 00:41:01

Really, really big factor.

782

: 00:41:02

We all know that once you go to a

psychiatrist or a psychologist and

783

: 00:41:06

it, it's anything to do with anxiety,

the first thing they start to show

784

: 00:41:10

you are some breathing exercises.

785

: 00:41:12

So we've always known that there was

that connection there, but being able

786

: 00:41:15

to adequately breathe and like really

improper posture really does help as

787

: 00:41:21

a natural aid to other methods and.

788

: 00:41:25

Other things.

789

: 00:41:25

We never wanna discount traditional

medicine fully, but it can be

790

: 00:41:29

complimented in a lot of different ways.

791

: 00:41:31

Uh, myofunctional therapy is really,

really great for those who are

792

: 00:41:35

struggling with a lot of GI issues.

793

: 00:41:38

If you're breathing through

your mouth and you have to eat

794

: 00:41:40

with your mouth digestion first.

795

: 00:41:42

And foremost starts in the mouth,

and you can alter the pH and the

796

: 00:41:48

content of your salivary flora by just

mouth breathing, by not adequately

797

: 00:41:54

breathing properly and proper posture.

798

: 00:41:57

That's gonna have a negative impact.

799

: 00:41:59

As you're breathing through your mouth and

you're trying to eat and take breaths, you

800

: 00:42:03

wind up in some ways, swallowing more air.

801

: 00:42:05

It makes you more prone to inflammation

and leaky gut and those types of things.

802

: 00:42:12

And so it's very complimentary

of myofunctional therapy too.

803

: 00:42:16

A lot of the GI issues.

804

: 00:42:19

And we work well with

gastrointestinal doctors , sleep

805

: 00:42:22

physicians for obvious reasons.

806

: 00:42:23

We've talked a lot about sleep.

807

: 00:42:25

It works.

808

: 00:42:26

Really, really great with

dentistry because we find a lot

809

: 00:42:29

of people who are struggling.

810

: 00:42:31

You think all you gotta do

is brush and floss, right?

811

: 00:42:33

If you just brush and floss and you do

what the doctor says, that everything

812

: 00:42:36

should be fine in your mouth, well, how

you breathe and the quality of what's

813

: 00:42:40

going on with your salivary flora,

that's going to have an impact too.

814

: 00:42:44

So when that's altered, you find

yourself more prone to gum disease,

815

: 00:42:48

inflammation, the ability to have.

816

: 00:42:52

Cavities or disease and

so forth in the teeth.

817

: 00:42:55

And so we want to also make sure

that we have proper posture so

818

: 00:43:00

that we can keep our teeth and our

oral health as optimal as possible.

819

: 00:43:04

Uh, it compliments a lot of things

with children with growth and

820

: 00:43:07

development because when that tongue

is up in proper posture, it's doing.

821

: 00:43:12

Yes, stimulating the nasal floor

and stimulating the baby's nerve,

822

: 00:43:16

but it's also applying a nice light,

soft, consistent pressure that helps

823

: 00:43:20

to expand our maxilla naturally.

824

: 00:43:22

We're seeing a lot of kids, it's almost

like a rite of passage these days to get

825

: 00:43:27

braces and braces are not normal, okay?

826

: 00:43:30

That is not something you should

anticipate for your child.

827

: 00:43:33

It should be something where like,

oh, is this something I'm gonna need?

828

: 00:43:36

There's something wrong here.

829

: 00:43:38

And if there's proper tongue posture.

830

: 00:43:42

They develop naturally,

they develop normally.

831

: 00:43:45

Um, so it's compliments a lot of different

things and a lot of different ways for

832

: 00:43:49

health and just overall wellness because

as far as I'm concerned, and there are

833

: 00:43:53

people who feel like it's one way or

the other, but I think it could be both.

834

: 00:43:57

I think health starts from the

top down and so everything here

835

: 00:44:01

in my wonderful area is going to

impact things further down too.

836

: 00:44:06

So it works well with a

lot of different things.

837

: 00:44:08

Thanks.

838

: 00:44:09

Kacee: My mind's blown honestly,

like just how much it can

839

: 00:44:13

affect so many different things.

840

: 00:44:14

I didn't even know.

841

: 00:44:15

But what are some common myths about

whether it's breathing or whether it's

842

: 00:44:22

or maybe it's just myofunctional therapy

in general, but what are some common

843

: 00:44:25

myths that you wish more people knew?

844

: 00:44:29

karese laguerre: Ooh.

845

: 00:44:29

I really wish more people

were aware that one.

846

: 00:44:33

The tongue.

847

: 00:44:34

It has its own proper posture and that

that's incredibly important to address.

848

: 00:44:39

Two, everybody thinks

that snoring is normal.

849

: 00:44:42

Snoring is not normal.

850

: 00:44:43

It's common.

851

: 00:44:45

Common and normal are not the same.

852

: 00:44:48

Okay?

853

: 00:44:48

So it might be common, and it could very

well be common through your family, but.

854

: 00:44:53

That does not make it normal.

855

: 00:44:55

It's not something that

you should anticipate.

856

: 00:44:57

Uh, genetics only play

a, a portion of the role.

857

: 00:45:02

I think that's a very

common misconception.

858

: 00:45:04

Everybody assumes genetics is

a hundred percent the thing.

859

: 00:45:08

The study of epigenetics has proven

to us time and time again that it's

860

: 00:45:12

multifactorial, it's nature and nurture.

861

: 00:45:14

So genetics, uh, it plays a role,

but then a lot of the external

862

: 00:45:19

factors that come on after birth and.

863

: 00:45:22

As you are being, you know, fed

and, and neutral and whatever.

864

: 00:45:26

A lot of that plays a common factor.

865

: 00:45:28

So that's a big one too, is

that it's just not all genetics.

866

: 00:45:32

So just because you had a particular

, type of sleep pattern, or maybe you

867

: 00:45:37

had a DHD or what you think was a

DHD while you were growing up, that

868

: 00:45:40

does not destin your child to it.

869

: 00:45:43

These are things that we can veer

away from with better habits,

870

: 00:45:48

better diet, better function.

871

: 00:45:50

Kacee: Great.

872

: 00:45:52

if the listeners want to know

more, if they want to dive deeper

873

: 00:45:56

into healing or breathing or

sleep, where should they start?

874

: 00:46:02

karese laguerre: So I have a website.

875

: 00:46:03

I think it's a great place to start.

876

: 00:46:05

If you at any point in time wanna just.

877

: 00:46:08

Talk and kind of geek

out about this stuff.

878

: 00:46:10

I do complimentary consultations, and

so you can find that on my website.

879

: 00:46:15

It's the mayo spot.com.

880

: 00:46:17

I'm sure it'll be in the

show notes or something, but

881

: 00:46:20

that's a great place to start.

882

: 00:46:21

It'll also link off to my blog.

883

: 00:46:23

My blog is Airway matters.blog,

884

: 00:46:26

and there you'll find a lot of

great resources, references, and.

885

: 00:46:31

Information that's really gonna help

you guide yourself through this journey.

886

: 00:46:35

'cause it's not easy.

887

: 00:46:36

It wasn't easy for me.

888

: 00:46:37

And so I try to make it as

streamlined and it's easy for others.

889

: 00:46:41

Uh, but I'm happy to talk to anybody at

any time about myofunctional therapy.

890

: 00:46:45

It's not everybody's first

step, and so that's a big thing.

891

: 00:46:49

I should have said that with some of

the myths too, is a lot of people think

892

: 00:46:52

that, oh, my very first step is to figure

out what's going on with my tongue.

893

: 00:46:55

Not always.

894

: 00:46:56

A lot of times there's other things

that need to be into play and so.

895

: 00:47:00

Kacee: And of course we will link

everything you mentioned, as well as

896

: 00:47:03

your book accomplished, the myo spot and

897

: 00:47:05

karese laguerre: Yes.

898

: 00:47:05

Kacee: amazing resources

in the show notes.

899

: 00:47:07

Of course.

900

: 00:47:08

karese laguerre: Thank you.

901

: 00:47:08

Kacee: And I just wanna know like.

902

: 00:47:10

I mean, obviously we started

off talking about your family.

903

: 00:47:13

I kind of wanna end it that way too,

because look all the things that you

904

: 00:47:18

have to worry about already with being

a mom, and then you're worried about

905

: 00:47:20

your children and sleeping through the

night and in accidents and 10 years of

906

: 00:47:25

straight accidents, like things like that.

907

: 00:47:27

So I just wanted like, how has this truly

changed your life and your family's life?

908

: 00:47:33

How would

909

: 00:47:33

karese laguerre: changed everything.

910

: 00:47:35

Absolutely everything.

911

: 00:47:37

My son, uh, we started out with

fifth grade and like really?

912

: 00:47:41

Started on our journey into

the A DHD around that time.

913

: 00:47:45

And it wasn't looking good for him.

914

: 00:47:46

Like it, he was not doing

well in excelling at school.

915

: 00:47:50

But once we kind of made it through

our journey, there was this.

916

: 00:47:54

Little brilliant boy that I feel bad was

so hindered for so many years because I

917

: 00:47:58

played that game of like, oh, he's six.

918

: 00:48:00

Oh, he's seven, you know, whatever.

919

: 00:48:02

Because by the time he was

17, he graduated high school a

920

: 00:48:05

year early ahead of his peers.

921

: 00:48:07

He was able to graduate early and and

just move forward in life, and he's.

922

: 00:48:13

Just absolutely brilliant once he was able

to sleep and get the rest that he needed.

923

: 00:48:18

Um, my daughter, with all the sleep

issues, we hadn't had any bedwetting

924

: 00:48:22

and she's 19 now, so solid nine years,

and hopefully she keeps going more, but.

925

: 00:48:29

But it's starting to not be my problem.

926

: 00:48:31

So, yeah.

927

: 00:48:33

But she's been getting really, really

good sleep, which is able to a, allow

928

: 00:48:38

her to really thrive during the day.

929

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So she's been able to flourish and just

be more of herself and be more present.

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She doesn't struggle with like

fatigue or, or issues getting

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out of bed in the morning.

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So I'm, I'm so blessed.

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Um, and then my youngest two, we have

not been on antibiotics in my home I

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mean, not one antibiotic for any purpose.

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No ear infection, no throat infection.

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These things that, you know, I was

told are so common and like destined

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to happen stopped happening years ago.

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So I feel really, really blessed that

we were able to, come on the other side

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and really see them for who they are.

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Kacee: That's amazing.

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And then is there anything that

you would like to leave with our

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listeners just as, any last words of

wisdom, insights, or anything that

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you want to share as a parting note?

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karese laguerre: Yeah, just

get started cleaning your nose.

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Get started, like that's the.

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Biggest thing get started.

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No matter what it is.

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Whether it's monitoring how

you're breathing, watching your

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kids sleep, getting into some

nasal hygiene, like get started.

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Don't just listen and like go

put a pin in it for another time.

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Just get started.

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Get started now.

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You won't regret it.

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Kacee: I love it.

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Chris, thank you so much.

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Thank you so, so much

for being here today.

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karese laguerre: Thank you.

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It was my pleasure.

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I thank you for joining me today.

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If you enjoyed this podcast, please

feel free to rate it or leave a review.

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If you have any thoughts or questions,

I would love to hear from you.

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You can email podcast core happiness.com.

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For show notes and additional resources.

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You can visit www.corehappiness.com.

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as always, please remember, never

let anyone diminish your light.

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Until next time, sending you my love.